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Podcast 235 – Osmond, Stolaroff, & Hubbard Discuss Psychedelics

Guest speakers: Myron Stolaroff, Humphry Osmond, & Al Hubbard


On October 30, 1964, Dr. Humphry Osmond, Myron Stolaroff, Willis Harman, and Al Hubbard took LSD together. The next day they discussed what was learned. This is a recording of that gathering, and it is the first of the recovered recordings from The Stolaroff Collection, hosted at

“There’s a central power system, and here’s the source. And the guidance system simply involves getting the person as close as possible to that source. The closer he gets the more aware he is, the more he sees who he is, the more he sees that everything he does is really of his own making and his own creation, and the more he sees his total responsibility. Now it’s inconceivable to me that you could move toward that source without increasing responsibility. And to me, Leary has found a way of moving in that direction but not going toward it, because he’s obviously missed his responsibility level.” -Myron Stolaroff

“From our crowd I think very, very few people get off the beam the way I would consider Leary and Alpert are off the beam, for example.” -Myron Stolaroff

“[We should use these substances] in a way which will not simply allow us to become aware of what any decent mystical saints have been aware of for a long, long time, but to become aware of how to produce a rise in the social level of communication, which will, indeed, transform the species from a biological animal to a communicating animal, which is what Teilhard had in view.” -Humphry Osmond

“[The map of the noosphere] is not to be created by mucking up bits of the Book of the Dead and saying how smart chaps were. This is a fraud.” -Humphry Osmond

“When you most need help is when you least want it.” -Myron Stolaroff

“This is the life that I’ve seen: Live or die. Be intelligent enough to get along. Don’t walk in two places without knowing where you’re going.” -Al Hubbard

“The ten year delay in our work brought about through our struggle with NIH in Washington and through being unable to cope with a large and powerful power-system there has produced, it’s resulted in probably several million people being quite unnecessarily damaged.” -Humphry Osmond (November 1, 1964)

“You have to understand the specific risks that [using psychedelics] involves. Now the specific risk is that every person involved will be altered whether they like it or not. And that the result of this will, in a sense, alter every other relationship they have whether they like it or not.”


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Podcast 232 – “Fisher, Stolaroff, and Al Hubbard”

This program marks

Our 5th Anniversary!

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the archiving of Myron Stolaroff’s resources

Guest speakers: Myron Stolaroff and Gary Fisher

The following is my video recording of this talk.


This is a conversation that took place between Myron Stolaroff, Gary Fisher, and a group of friends at the legendary salon that Kathleen hosted on the third Friday of every month in Venice Beach, California.

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Podcast 207 – “A Tribute to Alan Watts”

Guest speakers: Dr. John Lilly, Laura Huxley, and others


This podcast begins with a short clip of Alan Watts speaking about human consciousness. Then we join Dr. John Lilly, Laura Huxley, and a few other friends who are discussing the life of Alan Watts a few months after his death in November 1973.


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Alan Watts in Wikipedia

The Way of Zen by Alan Watts
List of books by Alan Watts

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Podcast 200 – “A Few Words From Our Elders”

Guest speakers: Gary Fisher, Sasha Shulgin, Ann Shulgin, Myron Stolaroff, Baba Ram Das, Timothy Leary, and Terence McKenna


“So I looked upon these materials as being catalytic, not productive, they do not do what occurs, they allow you to express what is in you that you had not had the ability to get into and express yourself without the help of the material.”
Scanned image of the copy of Saint Veronica's Veil that was used at the Institute for Advanced Studies in Menlo Park, CA during psychedelic research sessions in the 1960s.
“My main argument for continuing to use the term [psychedelic] is that people may not approve of what you’re working in or what you’re saying, but at least they know what you’re talking about.”

“My interest in these compounds is that they let you open up the doors inside your own psyche. They allow things to be more obvious, more apparent than the conscious mind usually lets them be.”

“The psychedelics, the visionary plants, allow you to do deeper looking and a different kind of learning, because what comes to you is a different sort of knowledge.”

“The ’shadow work’ is, perhaps, the most important use of these materials, as far as I’m concerned, that there is. Because it’s in opening up the shadow and discovering it’s not a monster, that it’s not a terrible, horrible beast, that it is the uncultivated, the unsophisticated and slightly, sometimes, unlawful part of ourselves, which can be one of our greatest allies as long as we can find the courage to do the work necessary to discover it and become one with it and to negotiate with it.”

“I consider them [psychedelics] basically spiritual tools.”

“The place we share is that place that stands nowhere, not the place that’s caught in these spirals that involve intellectual advance, or ‘Now we know it!’, and so on. That’s all like little ripples on the ocean.”

“The Great Way is not difficult for those who have no preferences. When love and hate are absent, everything becomes clear and undisguised.”

“…neuro-geography that tells us that where you are determines who you are, habitat determines species.”

“We are literally at a position where collectively, working in harmony, we can do most of the things, and take the responsibilities, which in the past have been attributed to the great deities of the past. I think the Golden Age is ahead. It’s the age of humanist science, humanist technology, pagan science, pagan technology, high tech, high touch.”

“I think it’s our duty as explorers and as frontier scouts for our species to invent new terminology. … I really feel that words are tremendously important. . . . We’ve got to develop a new terminology. We simply can’t use the language that has been around for three or four thousand years because more people have been killed in the name of god that any other word around.”

“Well somebody once asked me, you know, “Is it dangerous?” And the answer is, only if you fear death by astonishment.”

“Do not give way to astonishment! Do not abandon yourself to wonder! Get a grip! Try to get a grip, and notice what we’re doing! Pay attention!” – this is the mantra: “Pay attention! Pay attention!”

“On DMT, these entities – these machine-like, diminutive, shape-shifting, faceted machine elf type creatures that come bounding out of the state – they come bounding out of my stereo speakers, if I have my eyes open – they are like, you know, they are elfin embodiments of syntactical intent. Somehow syntax, which is normally the invisible architecture behind language, has moved into the foreground. And you can see it! I mean, it’s doing calisthenics and acrobatics in front of you! It’s crawling all over you! And what’s happened is that your categories have been scrambled, or something; and this thing which is normally supposed to be invisible and in the background and an abstraction has come forward and is doing handsprings right in front of you. And the thing makes linguistic objects; it sheds syntactical objectification. So that it comes towards you – they come toward you – they divide, they merge, they’re bounding, they’re screaming, they’re squeaking – and they hold out objects, which they sing into existence, or which they pull out of some other place. And these things are, you know, like jewels and lights, but also like consommé and old farts and yesterday and high speed; in other words, they are made of juxtapositions of qualities that are impossible in three-dimensional space. What they’re like is – and in fact, this is probably what they are – what they’re like is, they’re like three- and four- and five-dimensional puns. And you know how the pleasure of a pun lies in the fact that it is… it’s not that the meaning flickers from A to B; it’s that it’s simultaneously A and B, and when the pun is really funny it’s an A,B,C,D pun; and it’s simultaneously all these things… well, that quality, which in our experience can only occur to an acoustical output or a glyph which stands for an acoustical output – in other words, a printed pun – in the DMT world, objects can do this. Objects can simultaneously manifest more than one nature at once. And, like a pun, the result is always funny. It’s amusing! You cannot help but be delighted by this thing doing this thing.”

“History is a con game run by frightened men and their obedient stooges.”

“The transformation of culture through art is the proper understanding of what you can do with psychedelics besides blow your own mind.”


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Terence McKenna Audio
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Podcast 097 – “Psychedelic Research in the 1960s” (Part 1)

Guest speaker: Gary Fisher


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Our conversation began by looking at photos of some of Gary’s former students, patients, and famous friends.

13:12 We begin a discussion of Gary’s work in the 1960s with severely emotionally disturbed children suffering from variants of childhood schizophrenia and infantile autism who he treated with LSD and psilocybin.

16:36 Al Hubbard is discussed

18:23 Gary Fisher: “All our model was from Hubbard, because Hubbard was the guy who taught my brother-in-law and Duncan Blewett. . . . He was the father of all this stuff. . . . He was the one who introduced Osmond and Hoffer to this whole approach.”

25:45 Gary provides more details about his work with the severely disturbed children, beginning with the story of Nancy’s nearly miraculous improvement after being treated with LSD.

35:59 Gary describes the deplorable conditions in the public hospital wards where severely disturbed children were being held.


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will take you to several articles by Dr. Fisher that have been posted on the Web stie of the Albert Hofmann Foundationin The Gary Fisher Collection:

Treatment of Childhood Schizophrenia Utilizing LSD and Psilocybin
by Gary Fisher, Ph.D.

A Note of the Successful Outcome of a Single Dose LSD Experience in a Patient Suffering from Grand Mal Epilepsy
Gary Fisher, Ph.D.

Some Comments Concerning Dosage Levels Of Psychedelic Compounds For Psychotherapeutic Experiences [Print-friendly copy]
by Gary Fisher, Ph.D.

Death, Identity, and Creativity
by Gary Fisher, Ph.D.

Successful Outcome of a Single LSD Treatment in a Chronically Dysfunctional Man
by Gary Fisher, Ph.D.

The Psychotherapeutic Use Of Psychodysleptic Drugs
by Gary Fisher, Ph.D. and Joyce Martin M.D.

Psychotherapy for the Dying:
Principles and Illustrative Cases with Special Reference to the use of LSD

by Gary Fisher, Ph.D.; Assistant Professor, Division of Behavioral Sciences and Health Education, School of Public Health. University of California, Los Angeles

Counter-Transference Issues in Psychedelic Psychotherapy
by Gary Fisher, PH.D

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Podcast 092 – “Lone Pine Stories” (Part 3)

Guest speaker: Myron Stolaroff


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Myron Stolaroff and Lorenzo at the Stolaroff's home in Lone Pine02:29 Myron Stolarofftalks about writing “The Secret Chief”, a biography of Leo Zeff.

06:06Lorenzodescribes Dr. Michael Mitthoefer’s research where he is using MDMA to treat victims of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD).

12:52 Myron tells how he strikes up conversations about psychedelics with strangers he meets while traveling.

18:00 Myron: “The DEA, they’ve been the toughest ones. To a man they’re really refuting these things with all the power that they have, and they’re not interested in learning anything about them. They’re not interested in learning if anything [positive] is possible.”

25:31 Myron: “Even though it’s painful, you’re much better off, if you’re willing to experience the pain, be with it and let it go, because once it breaks through and is gone you’re at a whole new level.”

Snow on the high Sierra's in April 200730:51 Myron“And so you try to pretend that it’s [pain] not there, but it is there. And as long as it’s there it’s going to control you.”

35:32 Myron: “I used the phrase ‘worked on that’, and the working is not really struggling and trying to make things happen. It isn’t that at all. What it is is learning to just be still, to just let everything go, just absolutely be still and let our hearts open.”

54:43 Myron tells about instigating, along with Al Hubbard, the meeting between Alan Watts and Timothy Leary.

Myron Stolaroff listening to his first podcast58:31 Myron (in a conversation with Timothy Leary)“I don’t have it in my heart to tell you not to do what you’re doing, but, really, what you’re doing isn’t going in the right direction.”


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"The Secret Chief Reveaied" by Myron Stolaroff “The
Secret Chief Revealed”

by Myron Stolaroff

"Thantos to Eros" by Myron Stolaroff “Thantos
To Eros”
by Myron Stolaroff

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Podcast 084 – “Lone Pine Stories” (Part 2)

Guest speaker: Myron Stolaroff


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Myron Stolaroff and Lorenzo in Lone Pine, California - Novermber 2006
03:48 Myron Stolaroff:
“After I’d had LSD, there wasn’t anything that could come anywhere close to it. That was the most remarkable thing in my whole life.”

04:34 Myron talks about his meetings with Aldous Huxley.

07:39 Myron talks about Meduna’s mixture, carbogen.

09:42 Myron explains what a carbogen experience was like.

16:15 Why some people don’t seem to have a positive experience with psychedelics.

18:21 The importance of using psychedelics in small, supportive groups.

19:48 Myron discusses his favorite psychedelic substances.

20:37 Myron talks about Duncan BlewettMyron & Jean Stolaroff with Marycie Hagerty

24:01Some thoughts about using music during a psychedelic experience.

25:05 Myron’s advice to psychonaughts.

28:20 Myron talks about his relationship with Timothy Leary.

31:00 Myron tells the story of removing Leary from the board of directors of the Institute for Advance Study.

33:30 Myron tells of his fist meeting with Dr. Albert Hofmann.


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Books by Myron Stolaroff

Thanatos to Eros by Myron Stolaroff The Secret Chief Revealed by Myron Stolaroff

LSD manual mentioned in this podcast


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Podcast 083 – “Lone Pine Stories” (Part 1)

Guest speakers: Jean and Myron Stolaroff


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Lorenzo with Jean and Myron Stolaroff - November 2006
04:53Jean Stolaroff:Tells the story of how she first became involved with psychedelic medicines.

07:50 Myron Stolaroff: Tells how Death Valley came to be a favorite location for taking acid trips.

09:20 Myron tells some stories about Al Hubbard and Death Valley.

10:24 Myron tells of an acit trip in Death Valley that he had with Willis Harman and Al Hubbard.

15:56 Jean: “I knew I’d get a lot of fringe benefits from marrying Myron.”

17:10 Jean and Myron discuss 2C-E, “One of the very best.”

18:31 Jean and Myron discuss compounds they have no desire to ever try again.

21:33 Myron talking about 2C-B and how some substances react in unexpected ways with people.

25:14 Myron describes his first LSD experience, which took place in Canada on April 12, 1956.

Myron Stolaroff recording an interview for the Psychedelic Salon - November 10, 200635:18 Myron talks about Gerald Heard’s influence on his decision to try LSD.

37:30 Myron describes his first carbogen experience.

39:53 Myron describes the preparation that was required of participants in the Menlo Park work.

47:11 Myrondescribes how he first became involved in meditation practices.

54:42 Myron: “You know, if you’re going to work with these materials, meditation is a marvelous supporter because as you use the materials you open your consciousness more, and that opens your meditation more. So then your meditation becomes more effective and more fulfilling. So it’s a growing process.”

59:58 Myron: “And the only way that you can keep developing and learning more, and getting into higher levels of consciousness, is by really exerting yourself and learning to use everything that shows up when you do have these experiences.”


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Podcast 042 – “Using Psychedelics for Rational Work”

Guest speaker: James Fadiman


From the Mind States conference in 2003, James Fadiman gives an entertaining account of his early days in psychedelic research. The Mind States program that year had this to say about Dr. Fadiman:

James Fadiman, Ph.D. has been involved in both teaching and facilitating creative problem-solving with and without psychedelics for more than three decades. His experience ranges from early experimentation with Ram Dass and Tim Leary at Harvard to government-sanctioned legal research with Myron Stolaroff and Willis Harman at Stanford. He co-founded the Institute of Transpersonal Psychology where he now teaches, is the co-author of Essential Sufism, and has just released a novel, The Other Side of Haight.


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Books mentioned in this podcast:

The Other Side of Haight

What the Dormouse Said

Scrapbook of a Haight- Ashbury Pilgrim

“Higher Wisdom: Eminent Elders Explore the Continuing Impact of Psychedelics”

The Discovery of Love

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