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Guest speakers: Dr. Roland Griffiths, Dr. Alicia Danforth, and Gabrielle Agin-Liebes

PROGRAM NOTES:

This program features a recording of a panel discussion and Q&A session that took place at the 2013 Burning Man Festival with three people who are currently on the front lines of psychedelic research: Dr. Roland Griffiths, Dr. Alicia Danforth, and Gabrielle Agin-Liebes. This is an overview session covering a wide range of psychedelic research currently underway. Their detailed talks about their work is available in earlier podcasts.

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Dr. Roland Griffiths

Johns Hopkins University Psilocybin & Spirituality

Current Psilocybin Research Projects

Q&A with Roland Griffiths

Dr. Alicia Danforth

MDMA-assisted Therapy for Social Anxiety in Autistic Adults

Gabrielle Agin-Liebes

NYU Psilocybin Cancer Anxiety Study

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Guest speakers: Alicia Danforth & Charlie Grob

PROGRAM NOTES:

Today’s podcast features a 2013 Palenque Norte lecture given by Alicia Danforth in which she tells about her work with the autistic community and their use of MDMA. Following that is a recording of a conversation with Alicia and Dr. Charlie Grob, who have just begun a new study to investigate the potential of using MDMA to help ease the social anxiety that is sometimes experienced by our friends and fellow saloners in the autistic community.

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LINKS mentioned in this podcast:

Study Information: MDMA-assisted Therapy for Social Anxiety in Autistic Adults

“What Is Autism?” by Nick Walker

Exploring therapeutic effects of MDMA on post-traumatic stress

Podcast 380 – “Confessions of an Ecstasy Advocate”

Podcast Archive for Gary Fisher

MDMA-Assisted Psychotherapy

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Guest speaker: Alicia Danforth

PROGRAM NOTES:

Alicia Danforth, who is Dr. Charles Grob’s research assistant, leads a Playalogue at the 2007 Burning Man Festival. In this wide-ranging group conversation, Alicia skillfully guided our eclectic audience through the intricacies of FDA-approved psychedelic research.

“I’m hoping to spark ideas in other people’s minds about what can be done to get a foothold in advancing psychedelic research.” –Alicia Danforth

“I tend to think of music [in a therapeutic psychedelic session] as a little boat you can hop on when you’re journeying and ride to wherever you need to go.” –Alicia Danforth.

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ALSO SEE:
Ecstasy : The Complete Guide : A Comprehensive Look at the Risks and Benefits of MDMA by Julie Holland, M.D.

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Guest speaker: Charles S. Grob, M.D.

PROGRAM NOTES:

(Minutes : Seconds into program)
03:20 Charlie talks about how he got into psychedelic research.

07:47 Charlie: “My interest has always been in studying the potential therapeutic effects of MDMA. I’ve always had concerns about use and abuse of the recreationally drug ecstasy. Now early on in the history of this drug, ecstasy was almost always MDMA, but over the years there has been more and more drug substitutions, to the point where now with ecstasy I think there’s less reliability in regards to it being the drug you think it is than for any other drug I’m aware of.”

09:25 Charlie describes the process of obtaining approval to conduct clinical research using psychedelic drugs.

16:29 Charlie:“If you have some ambition to work in this area you have to develop certain character qualities, like having a lot of patience and persistence.”

18:13 Charlie discusses the relative merits of MDMA vs. psilocybin in the treatment of end stage cancer patients who are also suffering from anxiety.

22:33 Charlie: “So MDMA might turn out to be a very valuable compound to use with a chronic PTSD patient group, but in a medically ill group, over the years I began to question that and decided that psilocybin would be significantly safer.”

20:43 Charlie begins his discussion of the human safety study of MDMA that he conducted.

23:03 Charlie: “A relative risk in regards to recreational use of MDMA is that a lot of people are oblivious to the fact that different drugs can interact with one another, and people who may have medical conditions, on medication, who then take ecstasy, which is often, though not always, MDMA, that there may be a drug-drug interaction which can cause injurious effects.”

28:50 Lorenzo changes the subject by asking, “What do you tell your kids other than ‘just say no’?” . . . Charlie: “Often the most helpful thing you can do is simply be honest, and to provide the young people with the information we know today.”

29:28 Charlie explains ways that the street drug ecstasy can cause significant medical problems when not properly used.

34:11 Charlie talks about the work done my Humphry Osmand, Abram Hoffer, Duncan Blewett, and others in Canada when they successfully treated and cured alcoholics using LSD as a catalyst that changing their lives.

36:17 Charlie: “It seems to me there are some very interesting implications here for Osmand’s old work with alcoholics as well as some of our more recent observations with the ayahuasca church as well as others who have observed a similar process in the Native American Peyote Church.”

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Guest speaker: Dr. Preet Chopra

PROGRAM NOTES:

(Minutes : Seconds into program)

02:56 Preet describes the study he is working on at Harbor-UCLA Medical Center where he and Dr. Charles Grob are giving psilocybin (the active ingredient in magic mushrooms) to end-stage cancer patients who are also suffering from anxiety.

05:17 A description of the inclusion and exclusion criteria for the study.

11:01 Preet takes us through a typical session with a study participant.

12:04 “According to some of the research that was done before prohibition, it was found that people who had more internal experiences were more likely to get the psychological intervention we’re going for with this.”

24:03 “In my treatments as a psychiatrist I’ve never treated a psychedelic addiction. I’ve treated a lot of addicts who are addicted to a lot of stuff and who also used psychedelics, but that [psychedelic addiction] has never come into my emergency room or office.”

29:39 “I think it’s kind of ridiculous to be a scientist and a doctor and not investigate and try to understand how we can use these tools in a Western culture safely.”

36:11 “I think that ultimately the true wisdom about these plants comes from shamanic tradition, however, in today’s Western society people will often come to a psychiatrist to address the issue that in a different tribal kind of society they would seek out the shaman.”

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Mentioned in this podcast
“Counter-Transference Issues in Psychedelic Psychotherapy” by Gary Fisher, PH.D

Additional papers by Gary Fisher, Ph.D.

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Guest speaker: Dr. Charles Grob

PROGRAM NOTES:

A talk by Dr. Charles Grob in July 2005. The topic was his current FDA-approved research project using the active ingredient from “magic mushrooms” to treat anxiety in cancer patients.

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