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Podcast 062 – “Creativity and Chaos” (Part 1)


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Guest speakers: Terence McKenna, Ralph Abraham, and Rupert Sheldrake

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01:23 Ralph Abraham: A short primer on chaos theory. . . . The emergence of form from a field of chaos.

08:57 Rupert Sheldrake:
The problem I have with chaos theory . . . ” The issue of indeterminacy in the real world. . . . The illusion of total predictability. . . . Indeterminacy may exist not just at the quantum level but at all levels of natural organization. . . . How form arises from chaos. . . . In some sense, energy may be seen as an agent of change.

21:24 Rupert:
The question of how do new fields, new forms, come into being in the first place? Where do they come from? . . . The nature of the mathematical realm, the formative realm. Is there a kind of mathematical realm before the universe, somehow beyond space and time. [lozo: he goes on a kind of Olaf Stapelton riff] . . .

26:04 Rupert:
“The view that I want to consider is that the world soul, or the world imagination, makes up these forms as it goes along, that there isn’t, out there, a kind of mathematical mind already fixed or already full.”

28:40 Ralph:
“I think that with mathematics we can make a model for anything.” . . . “Mathematics could be regarded simply an extension of language. . . . Words, I think, are frequently inadequate.”

34:18 Ralph:
“But the truth is this theory can be used to model everything. So it never settles any questions as to the origin of things or the true nature of ordinary reality.”

37:40 Rupert:
“Are the fields of reality more real than the models we use to model them with. Or is there a kind of mathematics yet more fundamental the fields?”

38:57 Ralph:
What mathematics means to me . . . a description of the mathematical landscape. . . . “Mathematics is the supreme tool for the extension of our language for dealing with complex systems.”

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Podcast 059 – “Creativity and Imagination” (Part 1)


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Guest speakers: Terence McKenna, Ralph Abraham, and Rupert Sheldrake

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02:36 Rupert Sheldrake: Bringing together the idea of creation and imagination, or evolutionary creativity. . . . There is a profound crisis in science that will change science as we know it because the two fundamental models concerning the basic nature of reality that we have are coming to a head-on collision. “If the universe is evolving, then the laws of nature are evolving as well.” . . . [Perhaps] “things are as they are because they were as they were.” . . . “There must be an interplay between habit and creativity.” . . “Could there be a kind of imagination working in nature?” . . .

16:32 Terence McKenna“If the laws of nature are eternal, where were they before the big bang?” . . . . “The immense improbability that modern science rests on, but cares not to discuss, is this: The belief that the universe sprang from nothing in a single moment.” . . . “History is the tracks in the snow left by creativities wandering in the divine imagination.” . . . “Chaos is the birthplace of order. Chaos is not the problem. Chaos is the answer.”

33:55 Rupert“Matter is in a sense dense because it is so deeply habitual.” . . . “I’m interested in the posibility that the imagination isn’t all there, all worked out in potential in advance, but rather that the world truly is made up as it goes along.” . . . “And instead of [imagination] emerging, as it were, from the light in the future, or from a kind of Platonic mind, it may emerge from something much more like the unconscious mind. It may come into light from darkness, and the formative processes of the imagination may not be sparks leaping from the mind of god but rather new forms welling up from the womb of chaos.”

41:24 Terence“It seems to me that the problem revolves around this notion of purpose.” . . . “Time is a topological manifold over which events must flow subject to the constraints of the manifold, and I call the surface of the manifold “novelty”.

46:50 Rupert: “The question is, ‘Are the new forms arising in the attractor, or is the attractor simply attracting what is already a diversity of forms through a process that lies between them, as it were, the imagination?’ “

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